This is how I started it
Friend:
Lol. You know this just means that we’re going to get the Senate version of the health care bill don’t you?
Me:
Actually I hope we don’t try to impeach him Biden would be worse
Friend:
There’s nothing to impeach him for… unless you’re a birther – but I doubt that, they’re crazy white supremacists
Me:
There is the fact his domestic policy is destroying the economic viability of this country., and he’s clearly hates America but I guess that’s ok since he’s not a citizen anyway. :)
Friend:
had my reservations since he kept on W.’s Fed chairman and Geitner that it was going to be business as usual.
It saddens me that you affiliate with hate groups.
Me:
Yeah Geitner should go, but I think the entire fed should be removed. So no biggy for me.
Ill ignore your insult because you’re still stinging from the loss of Kennedys seat. :)
Friend:
There’s no insult. The birthers and most of the tea party movement affiliates itself with white supremacists’ groups. It’s a scary thing for this country.
Me:
I am sorry you think that.
Friend:
I think people can change after they’re in the grips of white supremacists fascism (such as Germany was). I used to think that the US learned from our mistakes after slavery and the civil rights movement, but now I think we’re being taken to a US version of Kristallnacht with the tea party movement. It used to scare me that the people who’ve identified with this movement did nothing but yell at me, belittle me, and bully me to make their point, but now I know that’s because they’ve been brainwashed. It’s only going to get worse before it gets better.
Me:
Nazi party was a socialist movement so it was left. Stalin took to calling the Nazi’s Right to identify them as the enemy. He had Trotsky assassinated on the premise that he was a on the Right. (no one can say Trotsky was right except Stalin) It’s stuck. Fact is progressivism, communism Fascism socialism all come from the same philosophical movement of the late 19th and early 20th century. Hitler praised FDR in letters to him and in magazines in the mid 30s. Benito Mussolini did the same thing. This is a matter of public record and cannot be denied. Both those thugs saw themselves in FDR because of FDRs policies. The eugenics movement has always been a part of the left in this country and around the world. The same group that strongly opposes abortion today strongly opposed eugenics then, can you think of that group. I can, The Catholics. All these things the Left ties to the right is a product of the lefts history. Conveniently ignored. I do not accept your premise.
Friend:
You’re not addressing that Hitler used white supremacy (and its ability to instill fear) to brow beat any opposition to the take over of the Weimar Republic. These same tactics are being used by the tea party movement. As far as fascism, and FDR – FDR barely escaped a coup d’état himself. But thanks to Marine Corp General Smedley, he was able to thwart a fascist take over in the US.
Me:
FDR was a fascist as Identified by Hitler and Mussolini and many others . He was the coup d’etat. Fascism has many faces, in Europe it was thuggery. In the US is will be a smothering smiling mom who won’t leave us alone.
Hitler’s brand of Fascism included hatred of Jews, not white supremacy. There is a difference between white supremacy and Aryan supremacy. The Aryan race does not include Italians or Slavs and both those races are white. Mussolini up until 1943 protected Jews so did the Spanish fascists. In fact prior to 1943 the Fascist party in Italy was made of Jews just like any other group in Italy. Fascism doesn’t need to include a racial component, as it didn’t in Italy or Spain. The key thing your missing is the left is the home of these types of tactics including the progressives of the US. Not the right. So while the left can accuse the Tea party of such tactics I know the accusation to be false on its face. It’s a common tactic of the left to accuse conservatives of the very tactics the left uses. With a compliant media its easy for them to get away with it. If the media did its job this wouldn’t be an issue. But the media has fallen in with the statists and can no longer be trusted to provide the truth.
Friend:
Every white supremacists I’ve encountered *hates* Jewish people as much as every other group… including liberals. Jewish Americans were quite helpful in the African American Civil Rights movement. You should really read up on Smedley.
Were you a big fan of Ariel Sharon?
Me:
Jewish people are helpful to every society they’re in. White supremacists may indeed hate Jews, but Hitler was not a white supremacist. The debate isn’t about white supremacy it is about how the left likes to tag conservatives as hate mongers and fascists while historically Fascists and hate have been phenomena of the Left. I have little knowledge of Sharon. I am aware of the Jewish help with the civil rights movement. Are you aware of the elements within that movement that hate Jews and blame them for all sorts of things?
Friend:
I believe you lose any argument where you state that Hitler was not a white supremacists. Hitler was the most abhorrent figure in recent history, and, he was a white supremacists, and a hate monger – like all white supremacists are.
Me:
He was Aryan Supremacist, he hated anyone who wasn’t Aryan, that included the Jews, the gypsies the Slavs. He killed 6 million Jews but he also killed another 6 million Slavs and gypsies and other non Aryan. These groups were white (mostly) and he killed them. That doesn’t make him a white supremacist he only cared for the Aryan people, if they were blue with pocadots he wouldn’t have cared as long as they where Aryan. Yes Hitler was an awful man, so was Stalin, so was Mao, Pol pot all these people have one thing in common. There of the left, not the right. The 20th centuries nightmares were spawned by the left. And the left seeks to plaster that on the conservatives.
Friend:
Hitler was a right-wing fascists white supremacists. He hated anyone he deemed as “other” to his white, Aryan race. All White Supremacists do this. It’s very helpful whenever white supremacists want to do a power grab. It’s a “oh you don’t agree with me? Then you’re mother was from Iowa. They’re all (insert expletive).”
Me:
Hitler wasn’t right wing, he was a socialist, that makes him left. Stalin accused his enemies of being right wing, That included Hitler and those within his own country, that’s how the label got started.
Hitler promised the Germans a list of things that our current crop of progressives are promising us, like health care, organic foods, an end to interest banking. No child labor, pensions of the elderly. 8 hour work days. Hitler was an ardent environmentalist as was most of the leadership of the Nazi party. Many were vegetarians. These things are what all socialist promise the people, In bids to get power. It’s a thing of the left. Hitler is the lefts man not the rights. His sins are the lefts sins.
Again the Aryan’s just happened to be white. The color was irrelevant; the important factor was they were Aryan.
Friend:
Hateful, right-wing, white supremacists Aryans in which businesses thrived under. So, you support child labor? If you want to have pesticides, growth hormones in your food, that’s you’re right to hold those beliefs. I think I’ll stick with my belief that such things are harmful.
Me:
Hate is a thing of the left division is a thing of the left. Identity politics is a thing of the left.
I only mention organic foods and child labor laws because its something the left pushes, it was something Hitler and the other fascists pushed among other things. I personally would let people decide for themselves if they think child labor and pesticides are bad. I wouldn’t force them; force is something the left does. I prefer choice.
Businesses that worked with Hitler thrived, they were supported with bail outs and special contacts, those businesses that refused to comply were taken over by the government, much as Obama is doing to GM and insurance and health care. Same as the Chinese. It’s about force. For some reason the left thinks big business is on the side of the free market. Big business especially in this country has been the impetus for regulation. Regulation doesn’t hurt the big guy, but is squashes the up and coming competition. The small guy who doesn’t have an army of lawyers and lobbyists he is hurt. When a large business can no longer compete, they go to the government for help, to make sure things are safe. Steel, sugar, meat packing all these heavily regulated business asked the government to intercede to prevent more efficient smaller businesses from succeeding. Progressives are always happy to expand there power over people so they complied.
Friend:
So you’re pro-choice? Identity politics is something the right does (i.e. I’m a Christian), until it doesn’t suit their needs (i.e. is it OK to send your eight-year-old to the coal mines to work? – it should be up to the parents to decide… lol).
The expansion of monopolistic practices have always flourished under right-wing governments. Anti-trust legislation is always a hard-won victory of the Left. But, it’s flattering that the Right wants to take credit for this.
Me:
You’re not really asking me if its ok to kill a child?
Identity politics was something created by the progressives in the late 19th and early 20th century. Is it ok to allow a family to starve or be forced from their home by preventing the able bodied from working. Who gets to choose if not the family? That’s the problem with progressives for some reason they think they know best and to hell with you if you don’t agree. This is why the progressive needs hate and Identity politics. People who don’t agree are the other guy he isn’t a part of the body politic. His opinion doesn’t count. He’s a hater, a racist, a sexist a homophobe. The term doesn’t matter its what the left does to alienate those who disagree. This is a phenomenon of the left not conservatives.
Anti trust legislation was pushed by large businesses under a progressive republican president. His name was Teddy Roosevelt. His nickname was the trustbuster. The mistake many democrats and republicans make is to think that the republicans are immune to progressive infection. The Republican Party was contaminated about the same time as the Democrats. So when we say left or right what we are really arguing is a fast march to statism or a slow march to statism. The only president since Roosevelt that was not a progressive is Reagan. All other presidents have been. The conservative movement within the republican party was begun in the late 40 and 50s by William Buckley. It is an attempt to return are country to what the founders envisioned. Free markets, minimal taxation and states rights and a limited government. One that cant force people to do things that aren’t in their best interest.
A monopoly can only exist with a Government backing; examples are the post office and public schools. Monopolies always exist under progressive forms of government. If the members of the left take the time to study history they will discover the term corporatism, FDRs brain trust were fond of using it. They wanted larger businesses because they are easier to control. In essence they wanted a monopoly so they could better control the means of production. The military industrial complex is FDRs gift to us
Friend:
You’re in favor of working an 8 year old to death?
There’s a great PBS series about the Medici. It’s an Italian family that enjoyed the type of government that you’re proposing – city-states. Teddy had to succumb to the power of the people who were tired of having their children worked to death.
All the ills of the world are the fault of little green men! You’re arguments always put all the ills of the world on people with progressive viewpoints. It makes no sense
Me:
Lol Not all the ills but most of economic ones since the early 20th century.
I am in favor of letting families take care of themselves in anyway they deem necessary, its no ones place to dictate to someone else what’s in their best interest.
Teddy didn’t succumb to anything he wanted to regulate; its what progressives do, they claim mandate from the people and run roughshod over traditional forms of government.
I am in favor of a constitutional republic that was established like the one we established in 18th century
Friend:
love this country as much as you do. And I agree that small businesses are better for the overall economy than large businesses. I think that the politicians that we have in there are too beholden to their large donors, and I suspect that the MA’s new Senator is already bought and paid for.
Still, I think that large centralized governments are good for some things – roads, inter-state commerce, and winning Olympic teams – if nothing else.
End of Debate
Notice how the Republican is already corrupt before ever stepping into office, before we even know if he's conservative or another progresive. The left can do no wrong it is why the have no need to rely on votes or laws or traditions. They know best. If you disagree your a hater and should be ignored at best, killed at worst.
Does she really love the country, if so why does she want to change it. Every other nation on this planet is a socialists dream, why change this one, why not move?
Notice how the bulk of her argument is trying to pin Hitler/hate to the conservative movement, see how they ignore the actual debate for mere slogans. Historical fact is on our side, bu the don't care.
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